Not Cool Turn10: Forza only has 14 tracks.

"NoahthePorscheGuy" (porsche) 11/06/2013 at 19:51 • Filed to: Fuck, Turn10, Forza 5

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According to Eurogame, Forza 5 will only have 14 tracks, down from 26, with notables such as THE RING and SUZUKA gone.

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Also we drop from 500+ to a little over 200.

Fuck. Again.

Edit:

Just Found out the Ring will come as a DLC in January. No word yet on whether or not it will be free. Lets be honest, of course it will cost.

Expensive Fuck.

Blondude > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 19:53

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Well, I am disappoint.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 19:53

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GT6 & 7 FTW! Although Four-za was good

rabbitman > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 19:55

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Great are they all going to be car and track packs or did lose a lot of their licensing rights? or did this base this off the online usage. I was pissed when they took the short tracks out of online play.

MountainCommand > rabbitman 11/06/2013 at 20:00

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Bingo! Prepare for the new era of gaming where they are gonna milk us for the things that should have been included in the first place.

Its working for EA, Turn10 might like to grab a piece of that cake.

TurboSloth > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 20:01

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All I need is the Nurburgring and the Lotus F1 car. Honestly, how can you have a racing game without the ring?

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > MountainCommand 11/06/2013 at 20:02

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Turn 10 has been doing it since Forza 4 with their monthy car packs. It was even worse in Horizon, where they tried to make you pay for cars that THEY ALREADY HAD from FM4. I may have to cancel my preorder of the collector's edition if they keep this up. No ring? No buy.

ncasolo > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 20:08

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And the iRacing catalog continues to grow with over 50 real world venues including Circuit of the Americas, Bathurst, Spa, Montreal, Suzuka, Interlagos, Watkins Glen, Indy, Daytona and a lot more :)

Simplify, then add beer > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 20:08

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I get the impression they've moved at least one track out of the game and into DLC, whilst they moved Bathurst onto the in game disc to counter GT6's recent press release

They made a significant shitload of cash on DLC, why not do it again.

ncasolo > MountainCommand 11/06/2013 at 20:09

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iRacing suddenly doesn't look so expensive.

ncasolo > KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb 11/06/2013 at 20:10

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no racer really cares about the car packs. I can only run 1 car at a time but I can go from one track to the next pretty easily. When I run out of new tracks to race on it starts to suck real fast.

MountainCommand > KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb 11/06/2013 at 20:11

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To be fair, they gave you a lot of cars in FM4 to begin with. I didnt mind the extra packs of specialized cars. Or cars that were coming out (i.e. brz) at the time. Even FM3 had those packs as well. But it wasnt their main agenda to push them, and never penalized you if you didnt buy them.

Horizon, i agree. And then well see another forza by next winter.... with more dlc...

Ive completely lost faith in the mainstream gaming stuff because of these sale schemes. EA's takeover of battlefield ruined that series. I wish Turn10 would stay away from that.

NoahthePorscheGuy > rabbitman 11/06/2013 at 20:11

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Its appearntly because they aren't up to snuff with Forzas current polygon counts. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-…

NoahthePorscheGuy > TurboSloth 11/06/2013 at 20:12

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Too bad :/. Really wanted to compare the E21 vs. DW12 vs. M23 on the ring.

NoahthePorscheGuy > Simplify, then add beer 11/06/2013 at 20:13

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They weren't high enough quality apparently. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-…

TurboSloth > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 20:15

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Honestly, what kind of car enthusiast who works for Forza goes and says, "lets add in these alps, but NOT THE RING." Seriously, the Ring is a staple in ALL racing games.

MountainCommand > ncasolo 11/06/2013 at 20:16

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You know, you may be on to something there.... And they are community friendly (afaik)

Übel > ncasolo 11/06/2013 at 20:20

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And for $99 a year, you can have 10 of those tracks and 7 cars ;) Not to mention the cost of buying a racing wheel.

#jussayin'

MountainCommand > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 20:20

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Thats their "excuse"... Just like the excuses made from the devs of GRID2..... And the excuses from EA about how their new engine was too 'complicated' for the mod community understand.... im seeing some patterns here....

Simplify, then add beer > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 20:21

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Interesting article.

I took from that 'we're still working on the game, but don't worry because after we finally scan the tracks they'll be available...for a price.'

shinsen > MountainCommand 11/06/2013 at 20:31

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pay to play, I mean if i'm going to blow 400+ on a xbox one and $60 on forza, at the very least I want to play on the nurb.... sigh, my excitement and likely 1st day purchase of said stuff went out the window, thanks for sharing the news

shinsen > TurboSloth 11/06/2013 at 20:36

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you just can't

rabbitman > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 20:42

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Thanks for the info that is a pretty good excuse that they are making a standard and sticking with it. Laser scanning takes time, they better get themselves the drones and get on top of those tracks

rabbitman > TurboSloth 11/06/2013 at 20:43

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that sucks that we wont get the Ring, that's a bummer.

NoahthePorscheGuy > rabbitman 11/06/2013 at 20:54

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Just read that in EVO ad they said it will come in a Januray DLC.

Sparf > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 21:11

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GT6 it is then. This is the final nail in the coffin. I even played a demo of the game at an expo and still that didn't hype me enough to want to dump literally all my money just to play it.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 21:11

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This is why I'm not upgrading, or interested in Fivetza.

They spend all this time and their resources making the cars look incredible, which is nice yes. But they neglect to add more lcoations to take all their new shinys racing.

WTF good is a racing game with so few tracks? Fine, making the tracks look as good as the cars takes longer. I can believe that.

Solution: Don't release the game with fake tracks. They could have included only Prague as their new unrealistic racing venure and then only have the real tracks released with the game. Then, once they have the time after release to update their backlist of fake places they could then offer that as a DLC. Yes, it's a money grab, but it's a decent compromise. Those who don't want to spend the extra still have all the real places to race, while those who want more can pay for all the other ones. So long as they could release all the backlist as separate DLC they'd still make money on it as those who didn't like certain tracks wouldn't be forced to buy them.

Also, Exclusive License Agreements should be illegal. Because FUCK YOU EA for not letting anyone else have Porsche. And Porsche, you're stupid. Dumbasses.

/rant/

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > TurboSloth 11/06/2013 at 21:14

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it's a conspiracy, cause McLaren won't let anyone know what the P1 is capable of on the ring.

soto > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 21:26

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What's the Forza you speak of?

BullManUGA > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 21:27

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And there are fewer than half the cars in Forza 5 that were in Forza 4. Can't say I would bother buying this game.

BullManUGA > Übel 11/06/2013 at 21:28

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iRacing isn't going to suddenly disallow people from using content though. In the past when they have gotten the new Sprint Cup cars the old ones have been retired from official series usage, but they are still buyable and people can use them in hosted sessions.

ddavidn > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 21:42

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Selfishly, I hope this will turn more people toward the GT6 team. I am disappointed, though, as I like Forza as well. Just glad it's not the franchise I invested in.

KamikazePigeon > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 21:53

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Wow! I was going to go out and buy this shortly after to the Xbox One's release date! Now I don't think I want one just yet. I have no need for the Xbox One's (or PS4 for that matter) other features with the TV and whatnot. Cool but I have no need for it.

Unless these tracks and 200 cars are utterly fantastic, I'm perfectly okay with still playing Forza 4 a little longer though.

NoahthePorscheGuy > BullManUGA 11/06/2013 at 21:53

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But atleast the half that are in a brand new scanned. GT6 has 800 cars that look straight out of 2002

BullManUGA > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 21:55

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That's why I hated GT5. It was a ripoff. I'll wait to see if they pulled the same crap with GT6.

ncasolo > Übel 11/06/2013 at 22:26

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I paid $100 for 2 years when they had a promo a bit ago. Also if you bought a wheel for Forza 4 now you get to buy a new one for Forza 5! #justsayin

Justino6969 > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/06/2013 at 23:16

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No ring? Are you freaking kidding me? I'm sorry Forza, if I get a new console it will be a PS4. That way I can have GT6 and Driveclub.

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > ncasolo 11/06/2013 at 23:42

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I enjoy tuning up a variety of cars and seeing how they handle. Of course, I tune them all pretty similarly, but there's only so much you can do with a weird CoG and suspension geometry.

Übel > ncasolo 11/07/2013 at 00:01

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But for $100 you could easily own Forza 4 AND 5 forever, and most people don't use a wheel for Forza ;) also, tell me, how much would it actually cost to get access to all of those tracks in iRacing? And what if I want more than 7 cars? How much then, eh?

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > TurboSloth 11/07/2013 at 00:17

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"My plan is underway"

nafsucof > Justino6969 11/07/2013 at 03:00

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Gt6 is ps3 swan song...gt7 for ps4:)

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > NoahthePorscheGuy 11/07/2013 at 06:37

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There's a grand total of 11 cars I really want on the FM5 roster, as opposed to 33 in pre-DLC FM4.

Yeah, I won't be getting this game.

Neither will I be getting GT6. That's got a fairly crap selection too, bolstered by old crappy renders and multitudes of the same car.

ncasolowork2 > Übel 11/07/2013 at 08:01

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Do you buy the monthly DLC for Forza? The Porsche Pack? They're probably going to charge $10 for the Nurburgring in Forza 5. If you consider what you actually sink in to the 2 year cycle of 1 Forza game it is probably close to $250. If all you do is get the basic game and play it then you're definitely doing pretty good with the economics.

As far as iRacing goes I think if you get all of the content all at once it is probably ~$600. If you have no interest in oval racing because that's not your think probably $300. Considering what an XBox One costs and all the DLC that you can shell out for on Forza the reality is iRacing isn't really much more expensive. The other reality is you get what you pay for.

Übel > ncasolowork2 11/07/2013 at 08:46

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Let's put it this way: To get 200 cars in iRacing (which I know is impossible) it would set you back around $1800 after discounts. Since we're apparently including console costs, you're looking at $600 for a PC. Then $300+ for a wheel(which is a necessity in iRacing. Not so in Forza). Then another $40 to hit 14 tracks. Plus $200 for two years of membership. So nearly $3k just to get what you can have for $560 with Forza. Oh, and Forza DLC is $10 for a whole pack of cars, not $11.95 for one. "You get what you pay for" my ass.

ncasolowork2 > Übel 11/07/2013 at 08:55

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Listen if driving around 200 different cars is your thing then iRacing definitely isn't for you. Also if you pay full price for anything that's on you. Most people look for deals.

Logitech DFGT wheel: $70
2 years on Promo: $100
iRacing Credits Promo get $300 for $225: Get $300 in content which is pretty much all the road racing content.
Using any PC built within the last 6 years you already have it.

$295 for 2 years of iRacing. That's about the cost of 2 years of Forza if you factor in XBox Live and all that fun stuff.

And with regards to you get what you pay for... at iRacing you're paying for the racing not the content. If you get Forza because of the content and don't care about the racing then iRacing would certainly seem stupid to you.

Übel > ncasolowork2 11/07/2013 at 12:11

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Well in that case, I can pick up Fourza, which is still a very relevant racing game, for $20 and the lion's share of the DLC for $50 ;)

And maybe I got a little too heated there. I'm not trying to say iRacing is stupid. I completely understand the point of iRacing, and I'd totally join in if I could afford the price of entry (doesn't help that if I'm going to buy a wheel, it has to be PC and Xbox compatible). I'm just trying to point out that maybe bragging about iRacing having "over 50 real world venues" in response to Forza 5 saving all of its tracks for DLC maybe isn't the best idea :p

ncasolowork2 > Übel 11/07/2013 at 12:22

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The sticker shock that keeps people from trying iRacing frustrates me. When you really look at the amount of money you or others can spend on Forza there isn't much of a difference in price.

2 or 3 times a year iRacing has a buy $75 in credits get $25 free. If you buy $300 of credits you get $400. If you buy all the road racing content at once you get 25% off. Memberships are frequently half off and the wheel/PC necessary to run it isn't as extravagant as most people think.

I personally have $3k sunk in to it. I have a Fanatec CSW, Obutto cockpit, 3 screens and 100% of the content. You know I've probably NEVER even driven 10 or so of the cars I have? Not a single lap. The way iRacing is structured I tend to race 1 or 2 cars for 3 months at a time. If I had it all to do over again I'd probably save $300 on content by not getting stuff I'm not using.

Still based on the number of people I've referred ($10 per referral) and other things I've not actually spent nearly as much on content as you would if you paid full price for everything out of pocket.

When you combine that with the 2 year cycle for Forza a $120 collectors edition XBox Live Gold monthly DLC and a limited selection of wheels Forza becomes very expensive for a completely shitty online racing experience. I loved Forza 2. The online racing was a lot of fun. 3 and 4 were horrible in comparison. I'm not even going to be bothered with 5 since that requires $500 on a new console and another new wheel.

Übel > ncasolowork2 11/07/2013 at 12:47

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Thing is, with Fourza, I picked up a used copy not too long after launch for $30. I already had an Xbox+Live subscription because I have several other games that I play, not just racing. I don't use a racing wheel because I'm perfectly happy using the controller for Forza (something that can't be said for sims), and since it comes with 500 some odd cars out of the box (many of which I've driven maybe once, just for the hell of it), I didn't feel the need to buy much of the DLC, aside from a couple cars I really wanted. All in all, on just Forza I've spent maybe $70 (including the Porsche pack) and I still enjoy playing it. However, just to get started with iRacing, no extra cars, I'd be looking at $170 *minimum* to get 1.4% as many cars and well under half the tracks. Plus, Forza has some great options for filthy casuals like myself who just want to screw around. I've probably spent 75% of my time either playing tag or buying cars, modding/customizing them, and toying with tuning setups just for fun.